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#6906270 Oct 28, 2012 at 07:50 AM
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So, what is going on with raids right now?

Well.........nothing, really.

As we are all aware, there's a new expansion full of shiny things for curious little Gnomes to click on. I know this, because I'm guilty of it. Everyone is off leveling, grinding dailies for gear or rep, and let's not forget that we have the busiest time of RL coming up. Up here, we've had our Thanksgiving, and now we're on the slow burn to Xmas. Down there, you have both coming up. In game, we're coming up on the end of one holiday event with plenty of RP events mixed into it, and then there's Pilgrims Bounty, Winter Veil, and the New Years one that I never remember the name of.

So, right now, there's a LOT of distractions.

This results in a wacky raiding schedule.

And it comes at a time when I had started planning on making a set raid team. That is - 10 Gnomes of quality and determination to go where no Gnome has gone before: Newer Content.

Wait, you say..."Newer" content? Why not "New"? Well, we don't have 10 Gnomes geared for New content. That's the big one. And by 'Content', I mean Raids, btw. So, 'Newer' content will be Cata Raids, of which the only ones we've been in for any period of time as a guild are LFR DS, followed by TotFW.

So. I had planned to finish off ICC25, but I'm going to drop that for the time being.

This is what I'm planning instead, at Forbs recommendation:

I want 5 Gnomes - a tank, a healer, 1 melee, and 2 ranged. This dps mix is not set in stone, btw.

The pre-requisites:

1. Know your class.
2. Be properly geared.
3. Be prompt. If a PvE event is scheduled, be there on a regular basis. If you have some RL complications that you know will create a potential conflict, say so. I check into our forum on a regular basis, so if you want to post a Shout saying you'll be late, I'm fine with that.
4. Have the required add-ons: Vent, DBM, a threat meter (Omen or Skada), and if you have a handy class specific add-on, that helps too.

While not a requirement, if you're dual-specced and/or have an in-guild alt capable of covering another class, this is handy, as well. ie - I have Brix (ranged) as well as Jinky - who can tank and melee.

What will this team be doing? A range of things. Scenarios (if we're missing team mates for some reason), Dungeons (both current and Cata in both diff settings), and some LK raids (10 Gnome) to check speed and ability - ie - how fast can we clear Ulduar? This latter idea would be used when we want a change of pace.

Should it happen that at go-time, we have enough interested Gnomes to do something bigger than 5's dungeons, we will do something more...challenging.

As it stands right now, though, with everything going on both in-game and out, I'm guessing full blown raids are on a moritorium until the New Year.

But right now, I'd like 5 Gnomes who are prompt, geared, and ready to build a core team.

Is it you?

~ Brix
Make a sincere complement on a really nice mustache, and all of a sudden, she's not your friend anymore. - Marty Feldman.
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#6906491 Oct 28, 2012 at 08:53 AM
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As it stands right now, though, with everything going on both in-game and out, I'm guessing full blown raids are on a moritorium until the New Year.

But right now, I'd like 5 Gnomes who are prompt, geared, and ready to build a core team.

Is it you?



Sadly, if you need gnomes right now, then I'm not a good candidate. With NanoWriMo filling up my time all November, I cannot make the time commitment.

Afterwards, I'll be happy to raid with my fellow gnomes. I like to tank although I do make mistakes. Sometimes real bonehead ones. "Stop turning the dragon around. D'oh."

If you feel someone else would be a better choice for being the core team tank, I understand. after all, none of my toons are level 90.

However, they are all geared level 85 and above.

Dyna is a pretty good melee dps. I can also bring Trigonometry and Helayne up to speed pretty quickly too. I believe all three have a sufficient ilevel to get into the non-LFR Cata raids at the moment.
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#6906867 Oct 28, 2012 at 10:41 AM
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First I would like to volunteer Forb's services. However since youre looking for raiders for your core team, and I dont have a lot of experience, I'll understand if you pick a more highly qualified Gnome. My ilvl is currently 459 and I intend to start working on LFR soon. Forbs can currently put out up to 30k DPS as long as the boss cooperates and doesnt set me on fire or anything.

Unfortunately, none of my other toons are anywhere near raid ready, and I doubt they will be anytime soon.

I still want our raids to be as fun and inclusive as possible. But I realize how frustrating it can be to plan for a raid and not have enough people show up to pull it off. Having a core team of 5-10 people you can rely upon to be there means you can always do something even if no one else shows up.

I know we have Gnomes in the guild who are itching to tackle current content for the glory of Gnomeregan. So I think this is a good first step toward making that dream a reality.

- Forbs
"For Gnomeregan!"

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#6906961 Oct 28, 2012 at 11:06 AM
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I'm more than happy to help. I generally prefer ranged dps, so Trinxxy would be my preferred toon to take. Although, I can tank on Fixton. Trinxxy is my closest character at being raid ready (on this realm).

My only issue would be the days/times. I'm unreliable, at best, during the week due to the job/commute, and the couple hours I get to play those days, I generally like to get a few dailies done to progress/level my characters. I am generally available on Saturday/Sunday night, with Sunday being the best bet for me.
"You win again gravity!" -Futurama
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#6908083 Oct 28, 2012 at 04:11 PM
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...none of my toons are level 90.
- Tridyna

...looking for raiders...none of my other toons are anywhere near raid ready...
- Forbs

...at being raid ready.
- Fixton


At no point did I SAY you needed to be geared for raiding, or lvl capped. I said you needed to be GEARED.

Being 'Geared for Raiding', for example, means your ilvl needs to be at a certain level that allows access to the desired content.

This is not the case.

Being 'Geared' means that Melee dps plate wearers show up in melee dps gear - oodles of str, stam, expertise, hit, mastery, et al. A tank keeps dying and wonders what they are doing wrong. Someone does an Inspect on them and finds they're packing Int on half the gear. That tank is NOT geared (unless he's a Pally pinch hitting for a downed tank, but I'm trying to keep this discussion Gnome-centric). Someone in the party decked out completely in PvP gear? They might be geared for PvP, but not geared for any PvE dungeon *I* will be leading.

So, being 'Geared' simply means Tanks show up in PvE Tank gear, Ranged show up in PvE Ranged gear, and so on. I will turn a blind eye to a small portion of PvP items - and by small, I mean 2 or 3 - but showing up with a majority of PvP won't cut it.

Times - when will we be starting this?

I want a group together FIRST. Once that group is settled on, we will meet in vent and discuss times throughout the week that work best for all concerned parties. Then, events will be posted on the calendar.

~ Brix
Make a sincere complement on a really nice mustache, and all of a sudden, she's not your friend anymore. - Marty Feldman.
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#6908263 Oct 28, 2012 at 05:07 PM
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They might be geared for PvP, but not geared for any PvE dungeon *I* will be leading.


They've greatly changed the way they're dealing with PvP vs PvE gear. PvP stats no longer contribute to the stat allotment on a given gear. The only difference between PvE and PvP now is the fact that the PvP ilevel is lower. This was done retroactively.

For example. DS normal gear is 397 with a certain stat allotment. Cataclysmic (Last season of Cata's PvP gear) is ilevel 390. It has the exact same stats a PvE 390 piece would have, it just has PvP stats added as a free bonus.

JP and HP gear are the same ilevel in Mists. You can compare a cloth JP vs a cloth HP item, and they'll be roughly the same (factoring in the difference between gem slots vs non.)
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#6908383 Oct 28, 2012 at 05:51 PM
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At no point did I SAY you needed to be geared for raiding, or lvl capped. I said you needed to be GEARED.

Being 'Geared for Raiding', for example, means your ilvl needs to be at a certain level that allows access to the desired content.

This is not the case.

Being 'Geared' means that Melee dps plate wearers show up in melee dps gear - oodles of str, stam, expertise, hit, mastery, et al. A tank keeps dying and wonders what they are doing wrong. Someone does an Inspect on them and finds they're packing Int on half the gear. That tank is NOT geared (unless he's a Pally pinch hitting for a downed tank, but I'm trying to keep this discussion Gnome-centric). Someone in the party decked out completely in PvP gear? They might be geared for PvP, but not geared for any PvE dungeon *I* will be leading.

So, being 'Geared' simply means Tanks show up in PvE Tank gear, Ranged show up in PvE Ranged gear, and so on. I will turn a blind eye to a small portion of PvP items - and by small, I mean 2 or 3 - but showing up with a majority of PvP won't cut it.


I misunderstood what you meant by geared. I read more into what you wrote than what was there. Thanks for the clarification.

Dyna IS geared for tanking.
Trig IS geared for melee dps.
Laynie IS geared for ranged dps.


:)
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#6908700 Oct 28, 2012 at 08:07 PM · Edited over 9 years ago
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Dyna IS geared for tanking.
Trig IS geared for melee dps.
Laynie IS geared for ranged dps.


Well, I know that, silly Gnome! I'd have never offered you the position of RR RL if I didn't think you couldn't handle it. I also appreciate that you have other things on the go right now. In all likelihood, by the time this gets rolling, you'll have finished your novel and will be ready to join us. No worries.

~ Brix

ps - For some reason, I find the gif of Laynie casting absolutely fascinating to watch, and I have no idea why.

Make a sincere complement on a really nice mustache, and all of a sudden, she's not your friend anymore. - Marty Feldman.
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#6908990 Oct 28, 2012 at 10:12 PM
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Well I was hoping to ask you this question this evening Brixee but I didn't see you log on. So I guess this will have to do. Before I volunteer or give my two cogs worth I want to know the answer to this question. "What are you going to do to keep raid nights and dungeon runs from becoming to exclusive?" Because from what I've seen/heard its been getting a group of 5 gnomes together to do something then up it to 10 and then we will go from there and try a raid and such.
"What is this world twisted?" ~LVG
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#6909692 Oct 29, 2012 at 04:12 AM
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#6908700 Brixee wrote:

Dyna IS geared for tanking.
Trig IS geared for melee dps.
Laynie IS geared for ranged dps.


Well, I know that, silly Gnome! I'd have never offered you the position of RR RL if I didn't think you couldn't handle it. I also appreciate that you have other things on the go right now. In all likelihood, by the time this gets rolling, you'll have finished your novel and will be ready to join us. No worries.

~ Brix

ps - For some reason, I find the gif of Laynie casting absolutely fascinating to watch, and I have no idea why.



Thanks for understanding. :)

RE: Laynie. I'm the same way. I could watch that gif for 5 minutes straight. It just draws you in. I'm very pleased with it.
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#6910006 Oct 29, 2012 at 05:57 AM
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#6908990 Durell wrote:

Well I was hoping to ask you this question this evening Brixee but I didn't see you log on. So I guess this will have to do. Before I volunteer or give my two cogs worth I want to know the answer to this question. "What are you going to do to keep raid nights and dungeon runs from becoming to exclusive?" Because from what I've seen/heard its been getting a group of 5 gnomes together to do something then up it to 10 and then we will go from there and try a raid and such.



I was in WoW earlier on in the day - Brix hit Exalted w/ Anglers, and Jinky did some quests, then my interest in WoW just dropped off and I went to play D3 for the rest of the day.

To provide clarification for you second question: The idea for this group of 5 is to start *ahem* small, and build up to a 10 Gnome group. I'd like for this Core Team to work together to the point where they know all the fights, movements, etc. by rote. Once they reach that level, it will open up to form a second group of another 5, and once *they* reach a good level of comprehension, raids will occur. In theory, anyway. So, this Core Team will be exclusive, but that should not in any way, shape, or form dissuade anyone else from going on a guild dungeon run - even using members of the Core Team, if they want to.

Another point I would like to make is Scenarios. These should be run often. From what I've seen of them, they are great teamwork building exercises - granted, I haven't run very many, but that's the distinct impression I got from them the other night after running 3 of them with Glitter and Tikky. And the fact that they have no class specific requirements opens them up for any lvl90s.

Raids will - or can - happen when there are enough interested parties online for them to happen. As I said in my initial post, we're coming up on that time of the year when RL commitments take precedent over in-game events. It's difficult to schedule a raid on Firelands (for example) only to discover 3 Gnomes show up because there was something else going on that particular night, both in-game and out. As a result of this, PvE events have to be scaled back in scope for the time being.

Does this answer your question? I'm not entirely sure as I'm waiting for the coffee to kick in.

~ Brix
Make a sincere complement on a really nice mustache, and all of a sudden, she's not your friend anymore. - Marty Feldman.
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#6910409 Oct 29, 2012 at 07:44 AM
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I am tenativly ready to go, would like more info but I will talk to you later about it.
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#6910704 Oct 29, 2012 at 08:40 AM
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I'd be interested to go on my mage, though I recognize that DPS shortages are really never an issue. I'm working on leveling my Warrior (just hit 85 and entered the Jade Forest) to back fill when our MTs may not be able to make it as well to have an extra tank around to help guildies when they need heroics.
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#6917621 Oct 30, 2012 at 04:58 PM
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I've been holding off my reply on this (other than my stance on the PvE vs PvP thing), as I wasn't sure what I could contribute, but with the recent talk of Sio's Video thread and the new information I've gleamed, I think I've come up with something.

First, to reiterate, while I can't make it to raid time due to prior outside engagements, I'm always available for any questions, strategies, or help in general. I have play time available in the morning as well as some limited stuff in the evenings during the week.

Here's what I'm thinking, and you can see if it fits with your overall goals or not.

I'm planning on making my rogue my PvE toon, and my warlock my primarily PvP with secondary PvE (raids, etc). If time/desire/needs push, I may work on a healer and/or tank.

1) Scenarios. My rogue primarily. Overall, what I want to do is incorporate entire gnome teams that will be featured and displayed in video. We're a militia with plans on expanding gnome stature and recognition, right? Well, lets do that and put our name out! And in 5.1, it will be in HD. :D

2) Secondary 5 man team. Rogue again, Lock subbing in for support. I won't be able to be in the final gelled 5 man groups, although I'd be willing to be a backup, or at least a consultant. However, for any that can fit in the odd morning schedule, I could perhaps be a training post to get people working and thinking of potential problems and solutions to working as a team. Think of it as basic moving into drills. (No military background other than family, just guessin here.)

3) Challenges. Rogue. I do plan on forming up a Challenge group. I'd love it to be with me gnomies. Remember, this part is based purely on skill, which is a combination of talent and experience. Meaning, if you have no talent, you can learn it. Gear is capped so in the end, it's not an issue. Anything above 463 is not utilized. If I can get a good 5 gnome group, this will be in video! (Note, good = fun primarily, successful secondary. None of my videos showcase skill. Ever)

4) Group challenges. Basically, small things we can identify, restrict, and work on in all the available avenues. Raids, LFR, old raids; 5 man content, challenges, normal, and heroic; scenarios; naked runs; timed runs; pvp; whatever.

Sidenote. I'd love to get more pvp videos done, but as you've seen in my previous work, they're not quite great and just showcase the fun aspect of being a gnome.

I don't plan on any of this being specific to any certain people. Basically, if you're willing to try learning from me, I'll be happy to work with you.

Other than that, good luck!
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#6919466 Oct 31, 2012 at 05:27 AM
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Currently I am still leveling my gnome monk, but once I am up there I gladly offer my services for this cause. Raided all end game content up to this expansion and am wanting to heal on the monk if possible, but I can tank or DPS as well. Will be max level soon I hope. (really hate outlands leveling lol)
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#6929584 Nov 02, 2012 at 12:14 PM · Edited over 9 years ago
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Well you always have Lyeli. I'll be back on Friday and from there I'm leveling like a madgnome/elf (Two Characters to get to 90 /yay). I'm a healer and always holy/Disc Specced. Actually it's starting to look like we'll have enough gnomes for more than one of these five man groups. So Whoever needs a Priest to wipe- er- heal their groups just lemme know once I get up there.
Kimmike- Mage. Proffesional Historian and researcher of the use of Arcane Magics.

Lyeli- Priest. Proffesional Historian and Titans Expert.

Blapie- Warlock. Proffesion Historian and Fel Researcher.
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#7306563 Jan 29, 2013 at 07:58 AM
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I thought I might res this thread just to kind of get an idea where we are at now with raiding. Should we start looking at who is available and putting together a raid day that works for those people?

Also I think Tuesday should now be our G4 raids their own forums day, lol.
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#7307036 Jan 29, 2013 at 09:25 AM
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Well, I know Saturday is marked as 'progression'. Tuesday forum raiding sounds awesome, although I tend to run gorilla tactics on it during the off days, just to keep it on its toes.
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#7307197 Jan 29, 2013 at 09:55 AM
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There are plans for some changes to how raids will be run, plus some new ideas that will be brought forward. I still need to discuss these with Fixton, and then present them to Forbs.

You're likely thinking to yourself..."Why Fixton?"

It was presented to me right before Xmas that my workload for this year would increase by 30 more basements. With that, I would be hard pressed to find time to do dailies, level and gear other toons, do dungeons, scenarios, etc - including raiding.

For our progressions into the Cata raids, Fixton provided excellent strat summaries, plus has raid lead experience. I offered him the position of co-raid lead. I'm hoping that between 'Dyna, Fix and myself we have all the required bases covered whenever we step through an instance portal.

So...that's 'Why Fixton'.

At any rate, there will be changes made.

~ Brix
Make a sincere complement on a really nice mustache, and all of a sudden, she's not your friend anymore. - Marty Feldman.
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#7307300 Jan 29, 2013 at 10:12 AM
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I tend to pounce our forums whenever I'm not rabble rousing on the Blizzard forums.

But to drag this thread back on Topic. I'd love to see if we have sufficient interest to form a more or less "serious" guild raid team.

Now Saturday's have traditionally been our "raid night" for the simple reason that its the busiest night of the week attendance wise, so it was our best chance when our numbers were small to fill out a raid. But now that we are much bigger, there is no reason we couldnt also raid on other nights if the interest was there.

I believe we have a lot of members who would like to poke their noses into current content raiding but find the prospect of gearing up by themselves and the whole "Raiding is for Pro's" mystique daunting. I believe these people could be helped up over the gearing hurdle easily enough with help from the guild. I also think that once geared, they could be introduced to raiding slowly in a friendly supportive guild environment, and that many of them would rise to the challenge, and have a great time!

All we're really lacking is organization and courage.

Also when I look at our numbers, I'm seeing a 25-Gnome LFR run just waiting to happen, seriously! LFR is faceroll easy. If we can get enough geared Gnomes in the door, its a slam dunk. Our people would get gear, and we'd get loads of 25-Gnome guild achieves into the bargain.

- Forbs
"For Gnomeregan!"
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