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#7407639 Feb 19, 2013 at 06:47 AM · Edited over 9 years ago
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Hello! Gnobi here, I'm new to the guild and figured I would introduce myself here on the forums as well as throw in any help I can with an all Gnome raid. Back in Wrath I raided occasionally with an all druid 25 man group after we had discovered that almost everyone had a druid alt of some sort, it was some of the most fun I have ever had raiding in this game and I honestly expect an all gnome group to be even more fun! When my warrior tank is 90 and geared, I would love to jump in to some raids with you guys.

Unfortunately what we discovered with the all druid group is that missing some raid buffs can seriously hurt a groups damage and ability to beat enrage timers (we were lucky enough to have 25 battle resses though), because of this we took full advantage of scrolls and leather working recipes.

Luckily with an all gnome guild we have the benefit of using multiple classes to cover as many of the buffs as possible.

With MoP they streamlined the buffs down to 8;
- Stats (Mark of the Wild, Blessing of Kings, Legacy of the Emperor)
- Stamina (Power Word: Fortitude, Commanding Shout)
- Attack power (Horn of Winter, Trueshot Aura, Battle Shout)
- Spell Power (Arcane Brilliance, Dark Intent, Burning Wrath)
- Haste (Unholy Aura, Swiftblades's Cunning, Unleashed Rage)
- Spell Haste (Moonkin Aura, Shadowform, Elemental Oath)
- Crit Strike (Leader of the Pack, Arcane Brilliance, Legacy of the White Tiger)
- Mastery (Blessing of Might, Grace of Air)

( I did the ones us gnomes can provide in purple. )

The only reason I bring this up is because on my affliction lock, having these buffs increases my damage by about 30%, that's a significant chunk of damage especially if your entire raid group goes up by that much. Fortunately though, Gnomes are lucky enough to play classes that cover most of these buffs.

The only ones I can see giving problems is first off Mastery, there is no Gnome that can provide the 3000 mastery buff right now. This can be problematic because every class regardless of whether they are Tank, Heals, or DPS benefit a lot from mastery, providing however we can stack the other 7 buffs it's not that big of a deal. The last buff is stats, again great for every class but unfortunately only provided by monks for us. In a situation where we might not have a monk, Leatherworkers can still create Drums of Forgotten Kings which is handy. On the same note Drums of Speed can still be quite useful in some fights.

Having access to a Mage for Timewarp and a DK or Warlock for a battle res would also be a gigantic help as well.

In the end, I am so in love with an idea of killing raid bosses in a group of all Gnomes regardless of what raid it is, and if we decide to move into MoP raids in the future I will be more then happy to help in anyway possible.
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#7408403 Feb 19, 2013 at 09:07 AM
Lieutenant
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O.o

I'm supposed to raid things other than Siosils waffle supply?

WHY DOESN'T ANYONE TELL ME THESE THINGS??!!

~ Brix
Make a sincere complement on a really nice mustache, and all of a sudden, she's not your friend anymore. - Marty Feldman.
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#7408468 Feb 19, 2013 at 09:18 AM
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"Can't hear you over the sound of how awesome this waffle is."

*munch munch munch* I can tell you're trying to tell me something. *munch* But I can't hear it. *munch munch*

;)

I think I already know the answer of this.... but can non gnomes be counted as gnomes if given a large enough supply of pygmy oils and illusion potions?
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#7408684 Feb 19, 2013 at 09:53 AM
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#7408468 Sverra wrote:

"Can't hear you over the sound of how awesome this waffle is."

*munch munch munch* I can tell you're trying to tell me something. *munch* But I can't hear it. *munch munch*

;)

I think I already know the answer of this.... but can non gnomes be counted as gnomes if given a large enough supply of pygmy oils and illusion potions?



What!? Thats not a Dranei, it's a Gnome Shaman...a very tall blue Gnome Shaman....with a tail...and hooves...
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#7408856 Feb 19, 2013 at 10:28 AM · Edited over 9 years ago
Commanding O...
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Sounds like you know your stuff Gnobi. I've been thinking alot about consumables lately on the harder fights. We dont normally come properly prepared with consumables on our raids apart from flasks and feasts.

We SHOULD be coming fully equipped with Health & Mana potions, and Elixirs on our bars, as well as those Drums you mentioned. I had completely forgotten about those, or assumed they were no longer relevant.

Things like this are excellent examples of how G4 can benefit from studying the ways that raiding guilds do things and adopting some of their methods to pick up the level of our game. Thank you for a very insightful post!

- Forbs
"For Gnomeregan!"

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#7409010 Feb 19, 2013 at 11:00 AM
Commanding O...
2103 Posts
#7408468 Sverra wrote:


I think I already know the answer of this.... but can non gnomes be counted as gnomes if given a large enough supply of pygmy oils and illusion potions?



Currently it is our policy to attempt each new Raid and Raid Difficulty with an all-G4 team. Once we have beaten that Raid/Difficulty, all subsequent attempts are open to alts, friends, and other guilds (subject to space in the raid and the raid leader's discretion, our members should have first crack at raid slots if they want them).

The reason for this is simple: G4 is the leading Gnome guild in Warcraft to the best of my knowledge. Our achievements are sources of inspiration for other Gnome guilds on other realms. I know this because I have spoken with a few of their leaders.

Our raiding achievements may seem laughable to serious progression raiding guilds, and they probably are. But make no mistake...we are literally doing what no other Gnome guild has ever done before. This is why its important that we meet those challenges with an all G4 team, and document those victories with screenies and videos.

By doing so, no one can dispute that the Gnomes of G4 accomplished these feats, or claim we "cheated" or were "carried" by Tall Folk in the raid. Because with every boss we beat...we are making Gnomish history!

- Forbs
"For Gnomeregan!"



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#7409393 Feb 19, 2013 at 12:20 PM
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#7409010 Forbs wrote:


Our raiding achievements may seem laughable to serious progression raiding guilds, and they probably are. But make no mistake...we are literally doing what no other Gnome guild has ever done before. This is why its important that we meet those challenges with an all G4 team, and document those victories with screenies and videos.




Well, coming from a person who considers them self a progression raider, I admire any guild that can do a raid and not end a night with people bitter and angry for wiping to a boss for 3 hours straight. There's reasons why I am never on my main except for raid nights, no one does anything outside of raids for fun and all we ever talk about is the raids we just did or raid were going to do the next day.


People who try to hold there progression over others head to make them happy are doing it wrong, the enjoyment of raiding comes from the group you're with and not what other groups are doing Too many guilds have lost that message though.
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#7410675 Feb 19, 2013 at 04:46 PM
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I wasn't trying to butt into policy. I see it as a trickle down effect anyway. Guild achievement = full guild group = only gnomes. I was simply asking for my own personal benefit. You see, I am 'forced' to play a shaman, despite being full gnome at heart, to raid with another group who's times I can better meet. I've been working on my fishing solely so I can farm up large quantities of pygmy oils. I've choose potion mastery for alchemy solely so I can get extra illusion potion procs. So am I a gnome? I look like a gnome. I definitely act like a gnome. Can I still be a gnome even though I'm large, furry, and have a tail outside of my addiction?

Sounds like you know your stuff Gnobi. I've been thinking alot about consumables lately on the harder fights. We dont normally come properly prepared with consumables on our raids apart from flasks and feasts.
You come as prepared as you fully feel you need to be. And this is something that I have assumed Brix and Dyna have addressed for their specific raids. The raid leader generally sets a general standard of what to come with, but individual raiders need, and should, be looking at what they can contribute and how to meet their own expectations for the raid.

Our raiding achievements may seem laughable to serious progression raiding guilds, and they probably are. But make no mistake...we are literally doing what no other Gnome guild has ever done before. This is why its important that we meet those challenges with an all G4 team, and document those victories with screenies and videos.
This is something I've been dying to look into and have been so saddened by the mix results. Everything this guild has set out to do, and have tried, have generally succeeded very well. Beyond expectations, truly. In my eyes, the only thing that's really holding this guild back, is yourselves. I've generally gotten a feeling that ranges from timidness to down right insecurity. There's nothing wrong with going into something difficult just to try it out.

I admire any guild that can do a raid and not end a night with people bitter and angry for wiping to a boss for 3 hours straight.
Gnobi says it very well here. Raids don't have to be stressful and bitter. Current raids don't even need to be stressful and bitter. They can be discouraging at times, but so can apathy. Not every raiding guild is made out of the same stuff, with the same type of people. There's a huge range of differences on how groups approach a problem.

We may be small, but we are not weak.
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