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#7484021 Mar 06, 2013 at 05:35 AM · Edited 9 years ago
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I should've had this up sooner, but I have some RL things distracting me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfCPGRLunX8

This covers the first 3 Bosses in MV. Pros of this vid are that it covers all everyone's role - tanks, heals, and both dps. Cons, I just have one. The sound is a bit murky. So it might require a couple run throughs to understand what they're saying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xbUFstYo5g

This is Part 2 of MV. Unfortunately, I'm pressed for time this morning, so I can't watch the whole thing. This is a 23 minute vid, but the fights here take more strats to explain, so that's why it's longer for the same amount of bosses. Sound is much better in this one.

This next set is labelled as 'Tanking for Dummies', but don't take that as an insult. They're very clear on the tanking duties. Everyone else should watch them despite the 'Tanking...' title.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n8qCKyF9qA - Stone Guardians
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwl3LdMgZRs - Feng the Accursed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj8tT_UdmE0 - Gara'jal the Spiritbinder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFq_m5LnaVM - The Spirit Kings
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc5-1gaH9b8 - Elegon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enujIo640wM - Will of the Emperor

~ Brix
Make a sincere complement on a really nice mustache, and all of a sudden, she's not your friend anymore. - Marty Feldman.
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#7485614 Mar 06, 2013 at 11:02 AM
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Very informative! So...when will our Gnomish legions assault LFR? I'm soo ready!

- Forbs
"For Gnomeregan!"
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#7485741 Mar 06, 2013 at 11:24 AM
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If we don't get 25 gnomes will we be giving the 10 gnome normal a go?
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#7485754 Mar 06, 2013 at 11:27 AM
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It's on the schedule for this weekend.

Sorry, I should have mentioned that.

~ Brix
Make a sincere complement on a really nice mustache, and all of a sudden, she's not your friend anymore. - Marty Feldman.
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#7487087 Mar 06, 2013 at 03:45 PM
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#7485741 Frazzelz wrote:

If we don't get 25 gnomes will we be giving the 10 gnome normal a go?



This is to introduce some of our Gnomes to the new content. Granted, some of us have been in LFR a few times, but we will also have some who have never been there. I'd rather they had a gentle introduction via LFR, than a rude one in 10 man(Personally, *I* would be willing to try a 10 gnome, but I strongly suspect it won't end well, so I'd rather not). And if we get some gear out of it, so much the better.

~ Brix

Make a sincere complement on a really nice mustache, and all of a sudden, she's not your friend anymore. - Marty Feldman.
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#7487117 Mar 06, 2013 at 03:53 PM
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Thank you! I plan on watching this is depth Thursday.

(Oh gears, I'm actually going to tank in a LFR.)
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#7487225 Mar 06, 2013 at 04:23 PM
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#7487087 Brixee wrote:

#7485741 Frazzelz wrote:

If we don't get 25 gnomes will we be giving the 10 gnome normal a go?



This is to introduce some of our Gnomes to the new content. Granted, some of us have been in LFR a few times, but we will also have some who have never been there. I'd rather they had a gentle introduction via LFR, than a rude one in 10 man(Personally, *I* would be willing to try a 10 gnome, but I strongly suspect it won't end well, so I'd rather not). And if we get some gear out of it, so much the better.

~ Brix



After doing 10 man for a few weeks, I can say that that at least the first few bosses aren't terribly bad. If you have people who have done the lfr version, and paid attention to mechanics, you've practically done the 10 normal.
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#7487284 Mar 06, 2013 at 04:40 PM
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Okay. I just finished watching the "...for Dummies" videos. These are worth the time to watch. This also brings up a point I feel bears sharing. I know Gizmoto has been in LFR many times, and is dual specced as a tank. Whether Giz has actually done tanking in LFR, I don't know. However, I know 'Dyna hasn't been in this LFR yet. So, 'Dyna, if you do not feel at all comfortable tanking in LFR, don't worry. As long as you have your tanking armor in your bags, you will still hit the ilvl to enter. I know this as Jinky always carries both sets of armor with her and I can fully switch her into DPS and she is still eligible to enter.

~ Brix
Make a sincere complement on a really nice mustache, and all of a sudden, she's not your friend anymore. - Marty Feldman.
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#7487305 Mar 06, 2013 at 04:47 PM
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#7487284 Brixee wrote:

Okay. I just finished watching the "...for Dummies" videos. These are worth the time to watch. This also brings up a point I feel bears sharing. I know Gizmoto has been in LFR many times, and is dual specced as a tank. Whether Giz has actually done tanking in LFR, I don't know. However, I know 'Dyna hasn't been in this LFR yet. So, 'Dyna, if you do not feel at all comfortable tanking in LFR, don't worry. As long as you have your tanking armor in your bags, you will still hit the ilvl to enter. I know this as Jinky always carries both sets of armor with her and I can fully switch her into DPS and she is still eligible to enter.

~ Brix



I think it counts things in the bank. I've had an item I was carrying in my bags that I eventually there in the bank. Ilevel never changed.
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#7487820 Mar 06, 2013 at 07:44 PM
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Yes but if I'm not mistaken, if you queue as DPS, you get DPS gear if you get drops. So if she is looking to upgrade her Tank set, it might be best to simply study the videos and take the plunge and attempt to tank the LFR. Its not like everyone who runs LFR hasnt seen their share of fail tanks. I know I have.

And I wouldnt worry too much about not being able to handle it. It is after all LFR. Its a heavily nerfed version of the normal difficulty raid, and youre going to have a lot of geared people backing you up.


- Forbs
"For Gnomeregan!"
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#7489724 Mar 07, 2013 at 06:00 AM
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#7487820 Forbs wrote:

Yes but if I'm not mistaken, if you queue as DPS, you get DPS gear if you get drops. So if she is looking to upgrade her Tank set, it might be best to simply study the videos and take the plunge and attempt to tank the LFR. Its not like everyone who runs LFR hasnt seen their share of fail tanks. I know I have.

And I wouldnt worry too much about not being able to handle it. It is after all LFR. Its a heavily nerfed version of the normal difficulty raid, and youre going to have a lot of geared people backing you up.


- Forbs
"For Gnomeregan!"




Would 'Dyna get DPS gear if she queued as DPS? Yes. She would get no tanking gear at all. But my objective in this is more than that. I want to take the uninitiated in there to get a first person view of the fights so they know what the fights are like. I don't want to put anyone in a position they aren't fully comfortable with. Watching a video six times through still doesn't compare to the real fight. The group you're with may have another strat, or different objectives. Granted, strats is a somewhat nebulous term when it comes to LFR.

Then, let's add to this the general attitude in LFR. Yes, there are 'fail tanks' in LFR. And we know what happens to them. I would spare 'Dyna that. I respect her too much to put her in that position. We also have to respect the other players (even though we likely won't get any back) by not holding up everyone. Should we actually have enough Gnomes in the group to control the vote, I would feel more comfortable if 'Dyna wants to tank an LFR.

Ultimately, the decision is hers, but should she opt to not tank, she has the open option of going as dps to see the fights.

~ Brix
Make a sincere complement on a really nice mustache, and all of a sudden, she's not your friend anymore. - Marty Feldman.
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#7490265 Mar 07, 2013 at 08:10 AM · Edited 9 years ago
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#7487820 Forbs wrote:

Yes but if I'm not mistaken, if you queue as DPS, you get DPS gear if you get drops. So if she is looking to upgrade her Tank set, it might be best to simply study the videos and take the plunge and attempt to tank the LFR. Its not like everyone who runs LFR hasnt seen their share of fail tanks. I know I have.

And I wouldnt worry too much about not being able to handle it. It is after all LFR. Its a heavily nerfed version of the normal difficulty raid, and youre going to have a lot of geared people backing you up.


- Forbs
"For Gnomeregan!"



Also to be fair if you finish it you get 90 VP; and the VP gear is much better than anything that drops in LFR.


As for
And I wouldnt worry too much about not being able to handle it. It is after all LFR. Its a heavily nerfed version of the normal difficulty raid, and youre going to have a lot of geared people backing you up.


This is a gross overstatement. Yes LFR is easy but if you go in and think "Gnome smash" you're wrong. You WILL die if you don't pay attention.
"What is this world twisted?" ~LVG
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#7490422 Mar 07, 2013 at 08:34 AM
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If you have done all the rep grinds, which a lot of new people have not. And some just wont.

Also, with the increased lfr drop rates, it'll be faster that way if you haven't done your reps.
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#7490775 Mar 07, 2013 at 09:50 AM
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#7490422 Sverra wrote:

If you have done all the rep grinds, which a lot of new people have not. And some just wont.

Also, with the increased lfr drop rates, it'll be faster that way if you haven't done your reps.




True. *looks at everyone* start doing the new daily hub.
"What is this world twisted?" ~LVG
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#7491079 Mar 07, 2013 at 10:55 AM
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Also I think I should mention that Coggs has much all of the enchanting recipes that have been added in MoP. So if you need something hit me up and I tell you which mats are needed.
"What is this world twisted?" ~LVG
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#7491198 Mar 07, 2013 at 11:29 AM · Edited 9 years ago
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This is a gross overstatement. Yes LFR is easy but if you go in and think "Gnome smash" you're wrong. You WILL die if you don't pay attention.


I beg to differ. I averaged one death (or less) in each new LFR I ran, and I didnt even bother to study up on the fights before I queued. Granted I was ranged DPS, so my job was mostly to kill stuff and watch out for the Floor Boss. And this was back when LFR was new, and half the raid had never seen the fights before. Nowadays LFR is routine, you might have one or two clueless people per group, everyone else knows the fight. Sure Tanks have it a little bit harder, and should watch the vids, but still its a rare fail group that wipes before Terrace.

Bottom Line: If you are ilvl 460 and can get through your average Panda Heroic without dying, youre more than ready for LFR, dont be intimidated by it.

As for advising people to spend their limited time on rep grinds, I'm just going to say this...

My item level is 484, and I'm ready for the new LFR when it opens. But only five of my current sixteen gear pieces are from rep grinds. And those rep grinds took a LOT of hours to complete, and I still have weeks to go before I finish Shado-Pan & Celestials!

By contrast, ten of my sixteen gear pieces were drops (nearly all from LFR or Sha of Anger). LFR's are quick and easy (especially if you dont have to wait through a DPS queue). Provided you always have three Elder Charms to spend per week on extra rolls, and especially with the increased drop chances in the previous tier...the ilvl 476 & 483 drops in LFR, and 489 drops from Sha of Anger/Galleon are by FAR the fastest, most painless way to upgrade your gear from 460.

My advice is to do ALL of your raid bosses every week! Then work on rep grinds in whatever time you have left. Rep grinds can be good for helping to fill in gaps in your gear where you just arent getting lucky on drops. And when choosing which rep grinds to invest your hours in, I suggest prioritizing the newest ones (Isle of Thunder, Lion's Landing, and maybe Golden Lotus).

- Forbs
"For Gearz!"
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#7491916 Mar 07, 2013 at 01:58 PM
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#7489724 Brixee wrote:

#7487820 Forbs wrote:

Yes but if I'm not mistaken, if you queue as DPS, you get DPS gear if you get drops. So if she is looking to upgrade her Tank set, it might be best to simply study the videos and take the plunge and attempt to tank the LFR. Its not like everyone who runs LFR hasnt seen their share of fail tanks. I know I have.

And I wouldnt worry too much about not being able to handle it. It is after all LFR. Its a heavily nerfed version of the normal difficulty raid, and youre going to have a lot of geared people backing you up.


- Forbs
"For Gnomeregan!"




Would 'Dyna get DPS gear if she queued as DPS? Yes. She would get no tanking gear at all. But my objective in this is more than that. I want to take the uninitiated in there to get a first person view of the fights so they know what the fights are like. I don't want to put anyone in a position they aren't fully comfortable with. Watching a video six times through still doesn't compare to the real fight. The group you're with may have another strat, or different objectives. Granted, strats is a somewhat nebulous term when it comes to LFR.

Then, let's add to this the general attitude in LFR. Yes, there are 'fail tanks' in LFR. And we know what happens to them. I would spare 'Dyna that. I respect her too much to put her in that position. We also have to respect the other players (even though we likely won't get any back) by not holding up everyone. Should we actually have enough Gnomes in the group to control the vote, I would feel more comfortable if 'Dyna wants to tank an LFR.

Ultimately, the decision is hers, but should she opt to not tank, she has the open option of going as dps to see the fights.

~ Brix


*HUG* That means a lot to me Brixee.

I am willing to give tanking a shot if I have my guildies by my side. *Hoists her shield* Let's watch some videos.
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#7492356 Mar 07, 2013 at 03:23 PM · Edited 9 years ago
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(This is suppose to be more humorous, so in case it doesn't sound that way upon first read, that's the whole intention.)

Have you ever done HoF on a Sunday? Morning afternoon? The later in the week it gets, the worse the group usually gets. Now, normally this is because people go in expecting to mooch off of the overgenerous limits Blizz put in place. But every now and then, you'll get someone who has absolutely no clue going in and trying to do a critical role (Why is the bear tank wearing intellect cloth?!).

DPS can pretty much get away with near anything. The healers, especially on some encounters like Tsulong, and tanks need to pay a lot more attention. Blizz knows that there's going to be people who's never even opened their spellbook before, and just click on the abilities on their bar. They expect it. They hope, to counter that, that more experience raiders come in and carry them, simply put. But later in the patch cycle, you get less and less people doing it, and more often the good people will bail after a couple of wipes (or just one.. heh). That's why they put in the whole stacking buff upon each wipe, to encourage people to stay, and why the VP at the end is so substantial, to keep people going.

The encounters in LFR aren't really different than normal. Some strategies change, but it's mostly a difference of number tuning. And some of these mechanics are down right nasty. Elegon's floor, for example. Very first time in there, floor despawned and down at the bottom was a dead rogue.

Heart of Fear has some of the worse bosses in there, as far as mechanic awareness goes. Garalon is a headache if you don't have anyone who knows what to do with the pheremones. I've wiped I don't know how many times on Wind Lord Mel'jarak, mainly because people can't read.. but yeah. Amber-shaper un'sok has a little twist in there that people have to know (and they usually tell you after the wipe), that can really cause some nasty damage if ignored.

You'll be starting with MSV, and while pretty easy, the last three bosses can be a headache at time. Will of the Emperor.. 1 wipe, 2 wipe, 3 wipe, 4 wipe (can we please get a tank who can pick up the dang boss; he doesn't come out at the start), 5, wipe, 6 wipe.. Ok, I'm done at that point.

We had this discussion before with DS LFR. What makes the raids truly easy are the people that you're with. Now, I think I'm in between Coggs and Forbs here, and I definitely suggest going in there at least once, just be prepared to learn a thing or two in the process.


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My advice is to do ALL of your raid bosses every week! Then work on rep grinds in whatever time you have left. Rep grinds can be good for helping to fill in gaps in your gear where you just arent getting lucky on drops.

For someone who suggests to slow down, this statement sure does promote rampant activity!

For anyone doing multiple DPS toons and want to do every boss - there's 5 LFR instances right now, and another 4 will be added in the next couple of months - I suggest finding a healer friend.
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#7492634 Mar 07, 2013 at 04:25 PM · Edited 9 years ago
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We had this discussion before with DS LFR. What makes the raids truly easy are the people that you're with. Now, I think I'm in between Coggs and Forbs here, and I definitely suggest going in there at least once, just be prepared to learn a thing or two in the process.



I would pretty much agree with what you said. However its always irked me when people tell others that LFR is a push over; cause all in all its not. You have to pay attention; so yes its a little bit easier than a normal mode but just like when we did DS RF; dont go in expecting to stand there and win.

As for the fights personally I really find a lot of the fights annoying at the very least, (most of what you mentioned in HoF and Tuslong in Terrace) But Sevrra's right about trying it out and it will very depending on who you are with.


*HUG* That means a lot to me Brixee.

I am willing to give tanking a shot if I have my guildies by my side. *Hoists her shield* Let's watch some videos.


Well good luck if you do decide to try to tank! As a side note, I am not sure how Brixee plans to do it if we don't have 25 people show up. So if we randomly queue all I have to say is DON'T PANIC! Don't stress out or worry about not doing something right. We would all have your back.


suggest prioritizing the newest ones (Isle of Thunder, Lion's Landing, and maybe Golden Lotus)


Must be nice to have a profession that isn't gated. On a lighter note. Thunder has been interesting so far and Lion's Landing is so far the best rep grind in the game. Oh and don't do the reps for gear, The Klaxxi, The GL, and the two new ones have really good storys that play out if you go all the way through.


For anyone doing multiple DPS toons and want to do every boss - there's 5 LFR instances right now, and another 4 will be added in the next couple of months - I suggest finding a healer friend.


I do dailies or often queue up for a scenario and/or heroic during that time.
"What is this world twisted?" ~LVG
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#7492771 Mar 07, 2013 at 04:58 PM
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#7492634 Durell wrote:

We had this discussion before with DS LFR. What makes the raids truly easy are the people that you're with. Now, I think I'm in between Coggs and Forbs here, and I definitely suggest going in there at least once, just be prepared to learn a thing or two in the process.



I would pretty much agree with what you said. However its always irked me when people tell others that LFR is a push over; cause all in all its not. You have to pay attention; so yes its a little bit easier than a normal mode but just like when we did DS RF; dont go in expecting to stand there and win.

As for the fights personally I really find a lot of the fights annoying at the very least, (most of what you mentioned in HoF and Tuslong in Terrace) But Sevrra's right about trying it out and it will very depending on who you are with.


*HUG* That means a lot to me Brixee.

I am willing to give tanking a shot if I have my guildies by my side. *Hoists her shield* Let's watch some videos.


Well good luck if you do decide to try to tank! As a side note, I am not sure how Brixee plans to do it if we don't have 25 people show up. So if we randomly queue all I have to say is DON'T PANIC! Don't stress out or worry about not doing something right. We would all have your back.


I appreciate that Coggs. The thing about tanking is you are in the spotlight. Everyone knows when you mess up and a lot of people just aren't nice to a newbie tank. They want to be carried. They aren't there to to teach.

However, I'm pretty good at this tanking thing (at least that's what you all tell me) so I should be okay as long as I'm not the main tank for a random pug. I can watch the videos all I want but nothing beats the experience of actually doing it.

From what I've seen so far, most of it is common sense. Don't stand in bad stuff. Face the the boss away from the raid. Use your cool downs when the boss does their big attack.
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